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		<title>Comment on How to Fix a Slab Leak by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome.  Yea, you don&#039;t see service like that much these days.  Thanks for sharing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome.  Yea, you don&#8217;t see service like that much these days.  Thanks for sharing. <img src='http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Fix a Slab Leak by Mark</title>
		<link>http://plumbinginfo.org/how-to-fix-a-slab-leak/comment-page-1/#comment-19931</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay now that I&#039;ve spent some time on your site I have to tell you why we feel some loyalty to our plumber even though his quote to fix the slab leak made us sick:

This winter I came home, the day before a business trip, to find the hot water flex hose had sprung a leak, blasting through the heater wall into the garage, flooding it and part of the master bath closet. I couldn&#039;t get a new flex hose back on(previous owner had a garden hose bib ending the line above the tank), and in a panic to make sure my wife had hot water during my absence, I googled &quot;24 hr plumber&quot; in my zip. Called the one closest to me, and long story short, the guy is licensed, etc., comes over at 9 pm and gets the flex hose on for me.

He then tells me he hates flex hoses and he wants to put a copper line in instead when I get back in town. I say &quot;okay&quot;,so how much do I owe you for this after hour gig? he says &quot;let&#039;s worry about that when you get back from your trip and we can do this up right. For now your wife has hot water. Call me when you get back in town.&quot;

Can you believe that? I called him and he did the job for $200. I&#039;ve been loyal to him for that reason alone. Maybe I am a sucker, but you never hear of anything like that any more.

Sorry, I just had to share that story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay now that I&#8217;ve spent some time on your site I have to tell you why we feel some loyalty to our plumber even though his quote to fix the slab leak made us sick:</p>
<p>This winter I came home, the day before a business trip, to find the hot water flex hose had sprung a leak, blasting through the heater wall into the garage, flooding it and part of the master bath closet. I couldn&#8217;t get a new flex hose back on(previous owner had a garden hose bib ending the line above the tank), and in a panic to make sure my wife had hot water during my absence, I googled &#8220;24 hr plumber&#8221; in my zip. Called the one closest to me, and long story short, the guy is licensed, etc., comes over at 9 pm and gets the flex hose on for me.</p>
<p>He then tells me he hates flex hoses and he wants to put a copper line in instead when I get back in town. I say &#8220;okay&#8221;,so how much do I owe you for this after hour gig? he says &#8220;let&#8217;s worry about that when you get back from your trip and we can do this up right. For now your wife has hot water. Call me when you get back in town.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you believe that? I called him and he did the job for $200. I&#8217;ve been loyal to him for that reason alone. Maybe I am a sucker, but you never hear of anything like that any more.</p>
<p>Sorry, I just had to share that story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tankless Water Heaters by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you do not have a recirc system now, you should notice little, if any difference in the amount of time the water takes to get to your faucets/showers/etc.  You will likely see a change in your energy bill, though.  All day, while you are not using the hot water, your tank is reheating it, just to let it get cold again... and it is doing that several times every day.  You should be able to save some money by going tankless.  will it be enough to pay the electrician (should you need a bigger breaker), and cover the cost of the new heater?  Probably... over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you do not have a recirc system now, you should notice little, if any difference in the amount of time the water takes to get to your faucets/showers/etc.  You will likely see a change in your energy bill, though.  All day, while you are not using the hot water, your tank is reheating it, just to let it get cold again&#8230; and it is doing that several times every day.  You should be able to save some money by going tankless.  will it be enough to pay the electrician (should you need a bigger breaker), and cover the cost of the new heater?  Probably&#8230; over time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Fix a Slab Leak by Steve</title>
		<link>http://plumbinginfo.org/how-to-fix-a-slab-leak/comment-page-1/#comment-19927</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark,

Thanks for the comment.  I will tell you... when I was a plumber, there were few things I hated more than having to tell a client, &quot;Yea, not only is this going to cost you a ton of money, but another one could spring up tomorrow, and we would have to do it all over again.&quot; :(

As for feeling guilty... while I am a firm believer in finding a plumber that you like and keeping him, there is nothing wrong with keeping him on his toes.  More than once, I have had regular clients let me know that they felt a price I was giving them was a little high.  It gave us a chance to sit down and discuss it in further detail...  maybe I could trim a few bucks here or there, call in a favor, etc.  It also gave me a chance to go over the details a little more specifically with them to make sure everyone was on the same page. :)

Just for the record... I do not even know what I would charge to tunnel 7&#039; to get to a leak.  How would I even keep my torch lit in there?  I would have to make a cave!

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  I will tell you&#8230; when I was a plumber, there were few things I hated more than having to tell a client, &#8220;Yea, not only is this going to cost you a ton of money, but another one could spring up tomorrow, and we would have to do it all over again.&#8221; <img src='http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for feeling guilty&#8230; while I am a firm believer in finding a plumber that you like and keeping him, there is nothing wrong with keeping him on his toes.  More than once, I have had regular clients let me know that they felt a price I was giving them was a little high.  It gave us a chance to sit down and discuss it in further detail&#8230;  maybe I could trim a few bucks here or there, call in a favor, etc.  It also gave me a chance to go over the details a little more specifically with them to make sure everyone was on the same page. <img src='http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just for the record&#8230; I do not even know what I would charge to tunnel 7&#8242; to get to a leak.  How would I even keep my torch lit in there?  I would have to make a cave!</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Fix a Slab Leak by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, thanks for this article! We were just quoted $4.5k for a seven foot tunnel or $3k for a jackhammer job from a plumber that has helped us out in the past. As much as we like him, this made us pretty sick. I went looking (a bit guiltily) to see if this quote was reasonable and from reading your article, it sounds like it. Unfortunately here in north Texas, homeowners policies no longer include foundation/slab issues (you had to start buying a separate policy rider sometime in the early 90s). That&#039;s the worst thing about this issue down here: you could have one pop up again a year after getting one fixed. Home ownership is seriously overrated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, thanks for this article! We were just quoted $4.5k for a seven foot tunnel or $3k for a jackhammer job from a plumber that has helped us out in the past. As much as we like him, this made us pretty sick. I went looking (a bit guiltily) to see if this quote was reasonable and from reading your article, it sounds like it. Unfortunately here in north Texas, homeowners policies no longer include foundation/slab issues (you had to start buying a separate policy rider sometime in the early 90s). That&#8217;s the worst thing about this issue down here: you could have one pop up again a year after getting one fixed. Home ownership is seriously overrated!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tankless Water Heaters by R Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this info, Steve.  But I would get an electric tankless because we have no gas lines at all to our house, and no recirc system.  So what is the benefit/reward calculation for me?  I understand that it may take a while for the hot water to get to my faucet, but it takes a while now with my traditional tank water heater because there are just two of us in the house and we only run hot water for 2 showers in the morning and some evening dishes. I can&#039;t see why it would take longer with a tankless.  I think it&#039;s possible that I would need a bigger capacity breaker for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this info, Steve.  But I would get an electric tankless because we have no gas lines at all to our house, and no recirc system.  So what is the benefit/reward calculation for me?  I understand that it may take a while for the hot water to get to my faucet, but it takes a while now with my traditional tank water heater because there are just two of us in the house and we only run hot water for 2 showers in the morning and some evening dishes. I can&#8217;t see why it would take longer with a tankless.  I think it&#8217;s possible that I would need a bigger capacity breaker for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Fix a Slab Leak by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi MT - Very good point there.  There are a couple of other considerations though.  Of course you are correct that if there is a slab leak once, there will likely be another at some point.  That is a great argument for getting an overhead repipe.

As for the cost... well, I used to do them in 1-2 days, with 2 plumbers, with a 1/2 day added to that (1 plumber) for permitting, inspection, etc.  I billed repipes at around $1500 a day per plumber plus parts.  That means an average of $7-$11k, depending on the size of the house, overhead access, different options (whole house filter, recirc system, etc.).  Partials can be cheaper.  Big houses with lots of options can be more.  It is more expensive to do a repipe overhead, than in an under-house crawl space though.

So, yes, for the price of roughly 2-3 slab repairs, you can get the house repiped, and never have to worry about it again.  There is a complication, however, that sometimes comes up.  Where I live, a lot of insurance companies will reimburse the homeowner for some or all of the slab leak repair.  This could result in the homeowner paying as little as a couple hundred dollars (plus deductible).  Most of them will not, however, reimburse for a repipe.  Although that sounds kind of silly, it is true... at least here in Cali.

Some homeowners still decide to go with the repipe option, though.  Long term, it is a better investment in the value of your home, and the peace of mind alone can be worth the cost.  Depends on the homeowner, I guess.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MT &#8211; Very good point there.  There are a couple of other considerations though.  Of course you are correct that if there is a slab leak once, there will likely be another at some point.  That is a great argument for getting an overhead repipe.</p>
<p>As for the cost&#8230; well, I used to do them in 1-2 days, with 2 plumbers, with a 1/2 day added to that (1 plumber) for permitting, inspection, etc.  I billed repipes at around $1500 a day per plumber plus parts.  That means an average of $7-$11k, depending on the size of the house, overhead access, different options (whole house filter, recirc system, etc.).  Partials can be cheaper.  Big houses with lots of options can be more.  It is more expensive to do a repipe overhead, than in an under-house crawl space though.</p>
<p>So, yes, for the price of roughly 2-3 slab repairs, you can get the house repiped, and never have to worry about it again.  There is a complication, however, that sometimes comes up.  Where I live, a lot of insurance companies will reimburse the homeowner for some or all of the slab leak repair.  This could result in the homeowner paying as little as a couple hundred dollars (plus deductible).  Most of them will not, however, reimburse for a repipe.  Although that sounds kind of silly, it is true&#8230; at least here in Cali.</p>
<p>Some homeowners still decide to go with the repipe option, though.  Long term, it is a better investment in the value of your home, and the peace of mind alone can be worth the cost.  Depends on the homeowner, I guess.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Fix a Slab Leak by MT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve - great info!  If the average cost you use to charge is/was between $2500 and $3800, then how much would you estimate it would cost to do a full overhead repipe to both the hot and cold pipes?  I would think that if a home has a slab leak in one area, there is a good chance there is or will be a slab leak in another area in the future so it may be best to just get the home repiped.  What are you thoughts on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve &#8211; great info!  If the average cost you use to charge is/was between $2500 and $3800, then how much would you estimate it would cost to do a full overhead repipe to both the hot and cold pipes?  I would think that if a home has a slab leak in one area, there is a good chance there is or will be a slab leak in another area in the future so it may be best to just get the home repiped.  What are you thoughts on that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tankless Water Heaters by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 07:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Fred.  Is there anything I forgot to mention, or info that I presented that was incorrect?  Please share. :)  Oh... and you forgot &quot;feld&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Fred.  Is there anything I forgot to mention, or info that I presented that was incorrect?  Please share. <img src='http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Oh&#8230; and you forgot &#8220;feld&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tankless Water Heaters by fredrecal steen stinburg owitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredrecal steen stinburg owitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 05:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a very interesting subject and a very interesting site but some people wants more than personal opinions and thoughts they need a proven facts but over all i liked it very much it was interesting and educational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a very interesting subject and a very interesting site but some people wants more than personal opinions and thoughts they need a proven facts but over all i liked it very much it was interesting and educational.</p>
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