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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="float: right;margin: 4px;"> </p><p style="text-align: justify;">During my career as a plumber, I dealt with a lot of bad water heaters.  A lot of my customers asked about tankless water heaters, so I will dedicate this article to those of you who are wondering if going tankless is for you.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;">First of <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/tankless-water-heaters/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">During my career as a plumber, I dealt with a lot of bad water heaters.  A lot of my customers asked about <a title="tankless water heaters" href="http://plumbinginfo.org/tankless-water-heaters/">tankless water heaters</a>, so I will dedicate this article to those of you who are wondering if going tankless is for you.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">First of all, let me say right here that these are things that I personally learned, and doing some further research into the subject has shown these things to still be true.  I have no interest in whether or not you go tankless, other than the fact that I try to provide people with as many facts as I can in all aspects of <a title="plumbing" href="http://plumbinginfo.org/">plumbing</a>.  So, keeping that in mind, let’s take a look at some of the facts.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>The Good</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Well, as you likely know, the storage tank is the weak spot in most conventional water heaters.  Water sits in the tank which causes calcium, and sometimes even rust to accumulate in the bottom.  Usually the calcium starts first, then, eventually the tank will start to rust from the bottom, and eventually it will spring a leak.  Different manufacturers have come out with different types of “self cleaning” configurations, but none of them really work all that well (in my experience).  The calcium still builds up in the bottom of the tank, winds up traveling through your pipes, clogging up your aerators, etc.</p>
<div id="attachment_294" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 197px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nrc98_medium.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-294 " title="nrc98_medium" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nrc98_medium.jpg" alt="Noritz tankless water heater" width="187" height="270" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Noritz NRC98 Series Condensing Tankless Water Heater</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Another problem with the tank is that, even with R-16 insulation (2” of insulation between the tank and the shell), the water still grows cold over time.  That means that if you have a 50 gallon storage tank water heater, every time the water cools, you are reheating 50 gallons of water, whether you will use that much or not.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Since a tankless has no tank (obviously), it basically solves both of those problems; not to mention that you do not need to “flush” your unit to get rid of all the calcium like is recommended on storage tank heaters.  They also tend to take up a lot less space.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Another benefit is that they are more efficient.  They do use a lot more gas than conventional heaters, but they do so in shorter bursts; only heating the water you need, so they use less gas overall.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Finally, tankless water heaters have a tendency to have a longer warranty period.  It is not unusual to find them with warranties of up to 20 years, where storage tank models often come with tank warranties of 6-12 years, and often have parts warranties of 1-2 years.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>The Bad</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So what are the drawbacks?  There are some, and they can be pretty big drawbacks.  The first drawback is usually the deal breaker – installation cost.  Not only are the units themselves around 3-4 times more expensive than conventional units, the cost to install them can be huge.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Let’s look at a typical install.  You want to remove the water heater from your garage and replace it with a tankless.  You remove the old one, hang the new one on the wall, and hook it up to the plumbing.  The first thing that will need to be done is to run a new gas line.  Tankless water heaters use a ton of gas really quickly (assuming you are using a gas fired model), and they need a gas line that is big enough to deliver the amount of gas needed.  Usually it involves running a new, dedicated gas line from the meter to the new unit.  As plumbing goes, running new gas lines can be fairly pricey, so keep this in mind.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The next thing you will need to do is upgrade your vent.  Unlike conventional units, tankless models require Category III stainless steel (UL1738 certified) venting.  Not only that, but it is usually of a bigger diameter than your old vent.  This means that not only do you need to buy the new venting materials (which are very expensive), but you may need to widen the areas where the vent exits the garage.  If your current vent ties into the furnace vent, most municipalities will not let you tie the new one in, which presents more problems with venting.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Another issue is that, if you are used to having a hot water recirculation system that gives you hot water pretty much instantly to your fixtures, you will not be able to do that with a tankless.  I mean, in theory, you can, but it is not recommended.  Many manufacturers will void the warranty if you do, and it kind of takes away from the energy savings anyway.  This means that you do have to wait a bit to get hot water, and with some models you can have cool spurts of water from time to time.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Fixes </strong>(Wanted to say &#8220;The Ugly&#8221;, but it wouldn&#8217;t have fit)</p>
<div id="attachment_296" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/outside-od.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-296" title="outside-od" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/outside-od-300x300.gif" alt="outside install tankless" width="300" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Tankless installed outside</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now there are some things you can do to minimize some of the drawbacks I listed above.  One of the easiest is to find a place outside to mount your new unit.  There are outside units that are basically self venting, and if you mount it close to the gas meter, it could really bring the cost of your new gas line down considerably.  There will be some water line plumbing that will need to be reconfigured to make it work, but running water lines are a lot easier (and cheaper) than running gas lines and venting.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I had a customer once who had a 75 gallon water heater in her garage that was getting old.  She really wanted a tankless, but the house was big, and was on a recirc system.  What we wound up doing was using two tankless units.  The laundry room and kitchen were really close to each other, with the other three bathrooms on the other side of the house.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I was able to split the hot lines under the house and isolate them, so that I used 1 unit for the front of the house and another unit for the back.  She was able to, with this configuration, get hot water quickly to all fixtures, and still save money on her energy bill.  The only complication we ran into was that the meter needed to be upgraded before the install passed inspection, because she also had a pool heater and outdoor, natural gas BBQ running off her meter. PG&amp;E was able to upgrade the meter though, so all ended well (although she was without hot water for a while).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>So&#8230;</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Is a tankless water heater for you?  Well, that depends.  It is the “green” way to go, and it will save you money in the long run, but by “long run”, I mean more than a few years.  If you are going to go tankless, make sure your plumber is top-notch, and make sure that you get an excellent quality unit.  My personal favorite brand is “Noritz”. I believe they are mostly sold to contractors, so you probably will not find one at your local Home Depot.  Then again, I would not purchase a tankless from Home Depot anyway.  You may also be qualified for a rebate from the government by switching to tankless.  I found a link to the Noritz site that might be helpful in that regard.  You can find it here: <a title="rebates" href="http://www.noritz.com/homeowners/services/promos_rebates/" target="_blank">http://www.noritz.com/homeowners/services/promos_rebates/</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Talk to you next time.  What should I write about next?  Any ideas?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>*Pictures from <a href="http://www.noritz.com/" target="_blank">http://www.noritz.com/</a></em></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 04:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">I recently had a situation with a sewer main replacement (a partial replacement actually) pop up, so I thought I would tell you the story, and see if maybe it will help others to make good decisions when faced with similar circumstances.  Out of all the types of emergency plumbing repairs that <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/sewer-main-replacement/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">I recently had a situation with a <a title="sewer main replacement" href="http://plumbinginfo.org/sewer-main-replacement/">sewer main replacement</a> (a partial replacement actually) pop up, so I thought I would tell you the story, and see if maybe it will help others to make good decisions when faced with similar circumstances.  Out of all the types of emergency plumbing repairs that are made, sewer main repairs are one of the most common.  The situation that I am about to describe is also very, very common.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">About a month and a half ago, I received a call from an old ex-girlfriend of mine (yea, it happens to the best of us).  She could not figure out why the shower was taking so long to drain, and while draining, it was making the toilet gurgle.  Well, if you read the post on this blog about “<a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/plumbing-101residentail-drain-plumbing/" target="_blank">Residential Drain Plumbing</a>”, you likely know that if any other fixture affects the toilet, it is a sewer main back up.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/0726070853-01.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-268" style="margin-right: 5px;" title="0726070853-01" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/0726070853-01-300x225.jpg" alt="Sewer main replacement full" width="300" height="225" /></a>So, I gave her advice on what she should have the plumber do when he got there, and wished her the best.  The plumber came over; she had him do what I said to do and left her with a “cleared” sewer line, and a warranty.  He did recommend running a camera, but she did not like the plumber, so she declined… besides, he left no incentive for her to run the camera that day, rather than waiting.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Well, the other day, it backed up again.  This time she called for a manager to come by.  He came over, cleared the line under warranty, and ran a camera.  It turns out that the roots had infested the <a title="plumbing" href="http://plumbinginfo.org/" target="_blank">plumbing</a> so badly that there was a major break in the line just barely under the sidewalk.  They gave her a quote for $2800 to replace the section of damaged plumbing.  She approved the quote without consulting me first, and the work began.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now, it turns out that they did a pretty good job making the repair, and left the yard looking pretty good, considering the scope of work that was involved.  So what went wrong?  There are a few things, all of which I explained to her after the fact.  I am hoping you get to read this before the fact.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Where I live, the sewer line is divided into sections in front of the house.  The property owner’s line actually ends at the easement, which is five feet back from the sidewalk, or ten feet from the curb, if there is no sidewalk.  The city’s line begins there and runs to the connection to the city main, in the street.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If there is a problem with the connection within that easement, AND there is no approved cleanout within the easement, the homeowner is responsible for the repair.  This was the case in this situation.  The plumbing was broken within the easement, and there was no sewer main cleanout there.  The problem is that she should have had them install one.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In order to install a cleanout, and have the city take responsibility for the sewer line from that point out, the plumber (or the homeowner) must pull a permit, install the cleanout, and have the cleanout inspected before backfill.  In fact, whenever making a repair within the easement, permits need to be pulled and the work inspected.  They did not pull permits, not did they install a cleanout there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<div id="attachment_262" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/0726071459-00.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-262 " style="margin-left: 5px;" title="0726071459-00" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/0726071459-00-300x225.jpg" alt="sewer line replacement complete" width="300" height="225" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Finished sewer line replacement with cleanout</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The most popular place to have a main sewer problem is in the area where she had it.  The second most popular place is the connection form the lateral to the city main, in the middle of the street.  So what happens of there is a break there?  Well, if the line can be cleared, I recommend putting in a cleanout at the property line easement; so that the city will take responsibility for it next time there is a problem.  Once an approved cleanout is in place, it is the city’s problem, and they will fix it at no charge to the homeowner.  The line has to flow, however, to pass inspection (in most cases).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If the sewer line will not clear, a repair has to be made in the street.  The cost for a plumbing repair in the middle of the street can cost upwards of $20,000 or more.  In some cities, the permits alone cost around $5,000.  I would have liked it if I was consulted prior to the contact being signed, so I could have warned her about this.  There are also other things that could have gone wrong that would have cost her a lot more money.  Fortunately, all went well.  My concern now is what might happen if the connection to the main proves bad in the future.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is all research she could have done on her own prior to getting the repair done.  She told me that she felt as if she was under the gun due to the nature of the problem.  She could have, however, had the line cleared again to restore flow temporarily, had the camera run, done some research, and collected some bids.  She could have likely had the work done with a cleanout and permits for the same price.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The moral of the story here is that, when dealing with your plumbing, always do your homework.  Many plumbers will try to make you feel like you are under the gun to make a decision right now, but the situation is seldom as dire as they make it seem.  Listen to your gut.  If it tells you that you have a day or two to do due diligence, listen to it.  It could save you a lot of money and headaches in the future.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Another bit of advice – it is a point of fact that if you have a sewer line blockage, the chances are better than not that you will have a problem with it again, unless there is a repair made.  Running the line with a sewer cable (even with a big blade on it) will NOT fix the problem.  It is a temporary solution at best.  Expect the problem to get worse with time, and prepare for it.  Get a camera survey done to asses the nature and location of the damage, and prepare, prepare, prepare.  If you stay in that property for long enough, you will likely need either a full or partial sewer main replacement eventually.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 01:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hello again.  In the interest of saving you, the homeowner, a little more money, I thought I would dedicate this article to some plumbing maintenance tips.  Obviously the best way to save money on emergency plumbing repairs is to do your best to eliminate them altogether.  While that is not always possible, <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/plumbing-maintenance-101/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hello again.  In the interest of saving you, the homeowner, a little more money, I thought I would dedicate this article to some <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/plumbing-maintenance-101/">plumbing maintenance</a> tips.  Obviously the best way to save money on <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/what-is-an-emergency-plumbing-repair/">emergency plumbing</a> repairs is to do your best to eliminate them altogether.  While that is not always possible, there are a few simple things that you can do to help.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;">Water Heater Service</h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is, by far, one of the biggest ways to not only save your water heater, but your entire <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/">plumbing</a> system as well.  Now this is obviously for storage tank style water heaters.  If you have a tankless, this won’t apply.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Here is what happens: cold water fills your water heater tank, it is heated at the bottom, and the hot water is sent out from the top of the tank to your fixtures.  Even though most tanks are designed to “swirl” the water around at the bottom of the tank (self cleaning), it doesn’t really work as well as you might think.  Two things wind up accumulating at the bottom of the tank – calcium and rust.  The calcium and rust get sent throughout your house and clog up all your faucets.  Not to mention the damage they do to the water heater itself. Another thing to think about is that rust begets rust.  It’s not unlike a fungus.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Performing a water heater maintenance is usually as simple as putting the thermostat on “pilot” or “vacation” mode, turning off the water to the unit, hooking up a garden hose to the little drain bib at the bottom of the unit, opening the drain bib, and finally opening up the hot side of a couple of fixtures to let air flow.  The tank will begin draining through the garden hose, taking the rust and calcium with it.  When you are done, simply reverse the order of everything you did.  Wait until the unit is completely full and you have clear water coming from your fixtures before you turn the thermostat to its previous position, and you are done.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Doing this, once a year, can be the difference between your water heater lasting 10 years, or 50 years.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;">Cleaning your Aerators</h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I went through a quick how-to on aerators in my <a title="Plumbing 101a | Flow vs Pressure" href="../plumbing-101a-flow-vs-pressure/">Plumbing 101a | Flow vs Pressure</a> post.  The why of it is simple – obstructions are bad, proper flow is good.  The aerator is sort of a filter.  Filters need to be cleaned so that they continue to do their job effectively.  It’s really as simple as that, and since cleaning one takes about 5 minutes, why would you not?</p>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;">Garbage Disposers</h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Another bit of useful plumbing maintenance is keeping the blades in your disposer sharp.  The job of a garbage disposer is to take large chunks of food and grind them into smaller bits of food, so that those smaller bits can be sent down the drain line without clogging it up.  In order to do the job properly, the blades should be kept sharp.  How do you do that?  It’s simple really – every once in a while, grab a handful if ice cubes and grind them up in the disposer. This will do a great job of keeping the blades sharp.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;">Drain Lines</h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Drain line maintenance can be the hardest, because there is not a whole lot you can do except try to minimize the amount of hair and grease that go down the drains.  I do, however have a little trick that I use (as do many of my past customers) to keep those drains flowing.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For this you will need a big pot that you can use to boil a lot of water and some lemons. Squeeze the juice out of the lemons into the pot (by hand or with a juicer), fill the pot with water and boil the mixture.  Once it gets to the boiling point, remove it from the stove and pour it down the sink. The hot water desolidifies the grease and the citric acid from the lemons helps to gets rid of it.  If you want it to be even more effective, run a bunch of hot tap water down the line first for a couple of minutes.  Once every six months should help.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Seeing as it’s time for me to cook dinner, I will wrap up thins article for now.  Please let me know if there is anything you were looking to find here that you didn’t, and I will either add to this post, or create plumbing maintenance 101a.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">A slab leak can be one of the more frightening experiences a homeowner has to deal with when it comes to emergency plumbing problems.  Actually, that is a bit of a misstatement, because they aren’t usually an emergency at all, although they are often thought of as one.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;">Quite often <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/how-to-fix-a-slab-leak/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">A <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/how-to-fix-a-slab-leak/">slab leak</a> can be one of the more frightening experiences a homeowner has to deal with when it comes to <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/what-is-an-emergency-plumbing-repair/">emergency plumbing</a> problems.  Actually, that is a bit of a misstatement, because they aren’t usually an emergency at all, although they are often thought of as one.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Quite often a slab leak isn’t even discovered until a homeowner finds themselves with a huge water bill.  They will call a plumber out to try to figure out why, and the plumber will inform the homeowner that they have a water line leaking under the slab. That means that the leak has been there for around a month or so already – so much for an emergency.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Slab_Leak_Repair.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-222" style="margin-right: 5px;" title="Slab_Leak_Repair" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Slab_Leak_Repair.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="235" /></a>First of all, I want to let you in on how I used to find leaks under slabs.  This might help you, since most pros do it the same way.  Obviously the first thing to consider is whether the house is really on a slab.  If you don’t know whether your house has a crawl space, just stomp on the floor once.  If you get a hollow sound, you have a crawl space, and the leak can be looked for there (once the access is found).  If it is solid and unyielding, you are likely on a slab.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The next thing is to try to figure out whether it is the hot or cold water.  Simply feeling for hot spots on the floor may be the easiest way to tell.  Even if I do not find any hot spots, I will usually turn off the hot water and see if the leak stops.  You can usually hear the leak when walking throughout a house.  In the rare instance where you cannot, watching the meter will tell you if the leak has stopped or not.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I do need to backtrack a bit.  It is very important that you or the plumber check every fixture very thoroughly to make sure that something else is not leaking. I cannot count the times when what others thought was a slab leak, I found was a leaking hose bib, irrigation valve or toilet.  Even good plumbers overlook this sometimes.  It happens.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you are lucky enough to have a wet spot or a hot spot on the floor, then you have a bit of a head start.  That will usually show you the area of the <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/">plumbing</a> leak, but not always.  Do not depend on that, however.  I have seen leaks that were up to 10 feet away from the only wet spot.  Water finds the easiest avenue to escape, so what might seem like a spot where the leak is could easily be the spot where there is a crack in your slab.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The next thing I will usually do is try to map out where the pipes go.  I can often do this based on my experience, but it never hurts to actually locate the pipes with an electronic pipe locator.  This is not essential, but it makes finding the leak a lot faster, because you only need to look where the pipes are.  If you don’t know where the plumbing runs under your slab, you will be “looking” for leaks everywhere, including where there are no pipes.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/leak1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-223" style="margin-left: 5px;" title="leak1" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/leak1-300x168.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="168" /></a>Next, find the general location.  If you don’t have a wet spot or a warm spot, you need to very carefully listen for where the sound is loudest.  Listen behind the toilets, under the sinks, etc.  The pipes are usually noisiest nearest the leak.  Once you have the general area located and know where the pipes are, you can begin the fun part.  I have an air compressor (a very quiet one) and an adapter that I made so that I can connect an air hose to an outside hose bib.  I keep the compressor in my truck with the doors closed to further minimize the sound.  Then I turn the water off at the main and pump air into the line at about 60-80 psi. I try to keep it near the working water pressure of the house, so I don’t force air into the city main.  I will go into the house and open up one of the faucets until that faucet starts to spit.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I then turn the faucet off and let the compressor catch up.  Some very helpful will happen.  The air, mixed will small amounts of water will make a very specific and recognizable sound as it exits the leak.  The pipes themselves will burble and such, but there will be a distinct “spitting” sound at the leak.  Now you just have to find that sound.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/P512geophonesil1.gif"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-232" title="P512geophonesil" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/P512geophonesil1-300x208.gif" alt="Geophones" width="300" height="208" /></a>I use one of two things when listening for the sound.  The one that I use primarily is called a Geophone.  You can actually get these (if you are so inclined) from <a href="http://www.pollardwater.com/pages_product/p512geophone.asp">PollardWater</a>.  There are also a variety of electronic listening devices on the market.  They are a lot more expensive.  The Geophone will cost about the same as someone doing leak detection for you, so unless you plan on having a lot of slab leaks, it is probably best to get a pro to find it.  Still, it never hurts to know the process, so you are informed.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Once the leak is found, fixing it is really not that hard.  It is a bit dangerous though, so I do recommend having this done by a pro.  Basically the process starts with removing the flooring; whether it is tile, linoleum, wood, carpet, etc., then using a small jackhammer to remove a section of concrete.  I try to keep the hole as small as I can – just big enough to work in.  Next, the leak needs to be positively located, and a section of the leaking pipe removed and a new piece tied in.  Do not allow someone to “patch” the pipe.  The section must be removed and replaced.</p>
<div id="attachment_228" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wrongwaypiperepair.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-228" title="wrongwaypiperepair" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wrongwaypiperepair-300x224.jpg" alt="bad repair" width="300" height="224" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Don&#39;t do this (bad)</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now, let me stop for a second and tell you that this is meant to be done with copper pipe.  There are still homes out there that actually have galvanized water piping under their slab.  If that is you, I do not recommend trying to repair it.  The best course of action in this case is to do what is called a partial or full bypass.  That basically means that you need to cut off the flow to some or all of your slab piping and run new pipes overhead.  This is usually done within an attic.  I have run across homes that do not have attics, at which point I needed to run the pipes on the roof.  This is the way it has to be with Eichler homes.  In fact, my “falling off the roof” incident happened towards the end of an Eichler re-pipe.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Finally, when the repair is made, I recommend turning the water back on to test before closing up the hole.  Once it has been verified that there are no more leaks, I will get rid of the old soil that I took out to get to the pipe and fill with sand.  I do this because the old soil is wet and will cause the concrete patch to settle.  Sand will be compacted 100%, and will fill in some of the gaps as well that were created by the leak.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Next, you just poor concrete into the hole, level it off and let it cure.  I recommend leaving it uncovered for at least 7 days before replacing your floor covering.  It sound like a pretty big process to go through &#8211; and it is.  Different companies in different areas charge different amounts for these, but I use to charge between $2500 and $3800 to find and fix the leak.  That included replacing the concrete to “patch” finish.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">One final little bit of info for you, and this may be the most helpful part of this article:  Check with your insurance company and find out if they will cover you, and if so, what parts they cover.  In my area, many of the good homeowner’s insurance companies will pay for the leak location, the tearing out of the flooring and concrete to “access” the leak, and the replacement of the concrete and flooring.  Knowing this can really help.  The repair of the pipe is the easiest part, and can easily be shown on the invoice to have cost $150 or something, while the rest of it would be covered by your policy.  Out of all of the slab leaks I have repaired, I would say that about 80% were covered.  They will NOT usually cover a re-pipe however, but that is in my area, yours might be different.</p>
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		<title>Emergency Plumbing Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">In my last article I touched on what constitutes emergency plumbing. </p> <p style="text-align: justify;">In this article, I would like to approach emergency plumbing from a different angle. Today I would like to discuss some of the most common plumbing emergencies, and what you can do to sort of stem the flow <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/emergency-plumbing-part-2/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>In my last article I touched on what constitutes <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/what-is-an-emergency-plumbing-repair/">emergency plumbing</a>. </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In this article, I would like to approach emergency plumbing from a different angle. Today I would like to discuss some of the most common plumbing emergencies, and what you can do to sort of stem the flow (so to speak) until the plumber can get there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Sewer main backup</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is by far the most common plumbing emergency the average homeowner experiences. It usually starts with a toilet that just doesn&#8217;t seem to want to flush correctly, followed by a sort of burbling, and finally the toilet overflowing onto the bathroom floor. The biggest problem with a mainline backup is that it can often be mistaken for a regular toilet blockage. The symptoms look almost identical at first, especially to the untrained eye. The easiest way to tell if it is your Main line that is backed up, is that often a tub or shower will also refuse to drain.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Often, when a sewer main is backed up, not using any water in the house for a while will allow the line of partially drain. Sometimes the line will drain down far enough where it appears as though everything is working correctly again. Usually a few flushes of the toilet will demonstrate otherwise. Keep in mind that any water that goes down a drain in your home will backup into the lowest fixture in your house. That means that if you have a toilet downstairs and your sewer line is backed up, flushing the upstairs toilet may very well flood your downstairs restroom. The best thing that you can do here is to stop using all water and call a plumber immediately.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Water pipe burst</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<div id="attachment_161" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 160px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/home_brass_gate_valve_154.jpg"><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-161 " title="Gate Valve" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/home_brass_gate_valve_154-150x150.jpg" alt="Gate Valve" width="150" height="150" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Gate Valve</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Having a water line burst inside, or even outside, of your home can be one of the scariest plumbing emergencies that a homeowner can experience. Water supply piping is all over your house, is pressurized, and is mostly hidden from view. Unlike a sewer main backup that starts draining slower and slower before it finally backs up completely, a water pipe bursting often gives no warning whatsoever. One day everything is peaches and cream and the next day you&#8217;ve got a flood on your hands.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When faced with this particular type of plumbing emergency, you need to immediately focus on the one thing: shutting off the water. There are usually a number of ways to get this accomplished. If you have a Main shutoff valve at the front of your house, this will be the easiest way to shut your water off. If you have an older gate valve, it will have a circular handle on it. You want to turn this handle clockwise to turn the water off. Remember the old adage, “righty tighty &#8211; lefty loosy”. If you have the newer style ball valve, the handle will look like a lever. Turn the lever one quarter turn, which will shut off your water.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<div id="attachment_163" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 160px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/brass_ball_valve_106.jpg"><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-163 " title="Ball Valve" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/brass_ball_valve_106-150x150.jpg" alt="Ball Valve" width="150" height="150" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Ball Valve</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The second option would be to turn the water off at the meter. The water meter is where the local utility company goes to read how much water you&#8217;ve used every month. Often times turning off the water at the meter can be extremely difficult without the proper tools. For this reason, if you do not have a shutoff valve at the front of your house, I recommend that you go to your local hardware store and buy a meter key. It is always better to spend a few dollars on a tool you may never use, than not have the key when you need it and suffer thousands of dollars of water damage.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Two things that you should make sure you do any time you turn the water off your home:</p>
<ol style="text-align: justify;">
<li>Turn off the gas to your water heater</li>
<li>Open up all the hose faucets outside of your home</li>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Turning off the gas to your water heater, either with the gas caulk or setting the control unit to pilot, will keep the water heater from firing on a partially empty tank. Opening up all the hose bibs outside of the home will allow residual water from inside of the water pipes to drain outside instead of inside.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Gas leak</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/GasMeter.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-206" style="margin-right: 5px;" title="GasMeter" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/GasMeter-300x225.jpg" alt="gas meter" width="300" height="225" /></a>As far as emergency plumbing situations go, having a gas leak inside of your home is by far the most dangerous. Not only is natural gas very combustible, so that little more than a tiny spark can create a huge explosion, but breathing the gas can kill you. Natural gas itself is odorless. Odorant is added to make it smell like rotten eggs so that we&#8217;ll know when we have a gas leak.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Most homeowners, when they smelled gas, have a natural tendency to want to call their utility provider (here in California, it&#8217;s Pacific Gas &amp; Electric Co.). Believe it or not, that&#8217;s not usually the best idea. Most utility companies will not fix a gas leak if it is in your piping. Usually, they will just let you know if you have a leak, and sometimes the general location aware that leak might be. Then they will shut down your gas, and will often insert a device so that it may not be turned back on. The reason this is not always the best option, is because most plumbers need to be able to turn on the gas to find out where the leak is coming from.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you smell a gas leak in your home, or around your home, there is one thing that needs to be done immediately: shut off the gas! High on the list of objects in your home that you need to know how to locate and operate is the gas meter. Each gas meter will have a shutoff valve that usually shuts the gas off with a quarter turn. Most home improvement stores carry emergency gas shutoff tools. Personally, I have always used a large crescent wrench.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I know this doesn&#8217;t even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to all the possible combinations of plumbing emergencies. In this article, I basically wanted to cover the top three. As always, the comments area is open, as well as a form. I welcome your questions and suggestions on other topics that you&#8217;d like for me to cover. Until then, I hope that this article has allowed you to at least be prepared for these three emergency plumbing scenarios.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">The question of what constitutes emergency plumbing is an interesting one.  It is also important for a number of reasons.  Let’s start with the most broad definition, and its application.</p> <p style="text-align: justify;">Here in California we have a law that states that any time someone comes to your home to sell you <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/what-is-an-emergency-plumbing-repair/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">The question of what constitutes <strong>emergency plumbing</strong> is an interesting one.  It is also important for a number of reasons.  Let’s start with the most broad definition, and its application.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Here in California we have a law that states that any time someone comes to your home to sell you a good or service that is valued at over $300, you have the right to cancel that transaction within 3 working days after signing the contract.  That means that if someone comes to your home and you buy a vacuum cleaner from them (for more than $300), you can notify the seller in writing that you wish to cancel the sale up to 3 full working days after you bought it.  The seller, by law, must accept the vacuum back and issue a full refund of the purchase price (without penalty).  The same is true for a plumber that performs more than $300 in service.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Unfortunately for the plumber, if you should cancel that transaction, you cannot “return” the service.  In this case the company must still provide you with a full refund.  In some cases, such as water heater replacements, the company can opt to uninstall the new unit, but only if they reinstall your old unit.  Most companies will not do that, so you will usually wind up with a free service, and the company eats the costs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Since most plumbing companies do not survive by doing free work, they will ask you to sign a “Waiver of Right to Cancel”.  Here is the catch: you can only waive your right to cancel the transaction if the repair is needed to remedy an emergency situation.  On the cancellation waiver will be verbiage that states that you have an emergency situation that requires immediate attention.  In this case, the term “emergency plumbing” takes on a very loose definition.  For the sake of signing the waiver, something as simple as “need to use toilet” will suffice.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now, some people will become wary when presented by this waiver, as they may fear that it leaves them with no recourse should they be dissatisfied with the work.  Be assured that this is not the case.  They are still bound by their licensing authority to provide the service that they are contracted to provide in a workmanlike and professional manor.  Others may be concerned that by stating their need as an emergency, they are bound to continue to consider the problem as an emergency.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The fact is that in the case of declaring a plumbing problem an emergency for the sake of the cancellation waiver, “emergency” only means that you do not want to wait 4 days to have the problem addressed.  That is all.  Once that is decided, we look at the more commonly accepted definition of emergency plumbing repairs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The reason that I want you to change gears here is because there are plumbers out there that will misuse “emergency”.  Just because a company may authorize a 10% discount to get started today, does not mean that your plumbing job that is not really an emergency suddenly becomes one!  When deciding whether or not a job should be considered an emergency plumbing repair, there are a few questions that need to be asked.  Ask yourself these questions, and if you do not know the answer, ask the plumber:</p>
<ol style="text-align: justify;">
<li>Is the __________ completely unusable until the repair is made?</li>
<li>Can I live with the __________ in its current state until I have had time to think/save/compare/etc.?</li>
<li>Does the _______ in its current state risk the health of myself or others?</li>
<li>Does the current state of _________ risk damage to things that are of worth to me?</li>
<li>If not addressed immediately, are the answers to #3 or #4 likely to become “yes”, and if so, how soon?</li>
<li>Do the benefits of getting the work done right away, far outweigh the benefits of comparing estimates, getting a second opinion, further researching, etc.?</li>
</ol>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The answers to those questions will let you know very quickly whether or not you have a true emergency plumbing situation.  The good news is that if you have followed the advice in my other articles, you will already have a plumber that you trust that will help you decide whether or not the problem you are facing is an immediate need, or something that can hold off for a bit.  One thing that my customers grew accustom to hearing was, “this is not an emergency or anything, so it doesn’t need to be done today, but the next time you call me out, it will likely be to fix this.  If you have the time and the budget to have me take care of it today, it will save you the service call fee for having to call me back out later to fix it.”  A true professional will always be honest with you and create a win/win for both of you for every situation.  That, in and of itself, will help to eliminate future plumbing emergencies.</p>
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		<title>Diagnosing an Upstairs Plumbing Leak</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Diagnosing an upstairs plumbing leak can actually be a lot trickier than a lot of people may think.  In fact, when I worked for Allstar Plumbing, one of the questions we asked every potential employee during the interview process was how to properly perform this diagnosis.  Even when making the scenario fairly <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/diagnosing-an-upstairs-plumbing-leak/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Diagnosing an upstairs plumbing leak can actually be a lot trickier than a lot of people may think.  In fact, when I worked for Allstar Plumbing, one of the questions we asked every potential employee during the interview process was how to properly perform this diagnosis.  Even when making the scenario fairly simple, almost everyone got it wrong.  Here is the scenario that we gave:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">“A home owner calls you out because they have a wet spot in their ceiling directly below the upstairs tub/shower.  It’s getting worse over time.  To make the scenario easier, we will eliminate the possibility of the leak coming from the toilet or lavatory sink.  We will focus on the tub/shower combo.  How do you go about diagnosing the source of the leak?”</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Almost every single interviewee responded that they would cut a section of sheetrock out of the ceiling and look through the hole with a flashlight.  Sounds reasonable, right?  It’s the wrong answer!  Here is why:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">First of all, what if the leak is being caused by a fault in the faucet itself or the tub spout?  Maybe the leak is due to the trim plate not sealing properly or some bad grout or caulking in or around the tile.  In all of those instances the plumber would have created a hole in your ceiling that does not need to be there.  It would be a shame to remove a large section of sheetrock when all that is necessary is better <a href="http://www.waterproofingonline.com" target="_blank">waterproofing</a> of your shower!  Some may argue that the sheetrock is bad and needs to be replaced anyway.  The easy answer to that is that we are plumbers – not water damage repair techs.  It is not for us to determine what needs to be done to fix water damage.  It is us to fix the plumbing that is causing it.  When that is done, we can refer our customer to a suitable water damage company.  We do our job and let them do theirs.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So how do we diagnose this type of leak?  Let me preface the answer by saying that during any type of plumbing diagnostic, you want to eliminate a single cause at a time.  This means that everything you do eliminates only one possible cause.  Here is how you do it:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&nbsp;</p>
<div id="attachment_134" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 268px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/water-meter.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-134 " title="water-meter" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/water-meter.jpg" alt="Typical water meter" width="258" height="246" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Typical Water Meter</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">First you make sure that no toilets are running, no sinks leaking and no water is being used anywhere in the house.  You check your water meter.  Most meters will have a small dial that detects even a small amount of water usage.  You can test this by turning on one of your hose bibs so a trickle of water is coming out of it.  Then look at your meter.  The small dial (usually round or triangle) should be turning visibly.  When you turn of the hose bib, the dial should stop.  If it continues to move, you have a “supply side” leak somewhere.  You can further narrow it down by turning off the main shut-off valve to your house.  If the dial keeps moving, your leak is outside, before the house.  If it stops, the leak is in your house somewhere (maybe the tub/shower).  You can narrow it down even further by turning of the cold supply to your water heater.  If the dial stops, the leak is on the hot side somewhere.  If it keeps going, it is on the cold side.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Let’s assume that the meter is not spinning, so we know it is not a leak on the supply side of your plumbing system.  The next thing to do is start from the bottom up.  Get a ladder and put it under the wet spot in your ceiling.  This will make it easier to hear if water is dripping onto the sheetrock.  You may even want to poke a small hole in the sheetrock with a small screwdriver and let any standing water drain into a bucket.  That way when the leak starts it is easier to see.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Plug the tub drain, fill up a 5 gallon bucket (from a different source or water) and pour it into the tub, being careful not to splash.  Do that a few times until your tub is holding a fair amount of water.  Does that recreate the leak?  Don’t forget that you need to give it some time for the leak to show up.  If that does create a leak, the problem is with the “strainer” itself.  It may be loose, or the putty (or whatever sealant was used) wore out.  Often this can be fixed by loosening the drain, packing putty between the strainer and the tub and retightening.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If that does not create the leak, pull the plug on the tub and let the water drain.  Does that do it?  Again, give it time for the leak to show up, this is not a 5 minute process.  If the leak shows up them, it is the drainage plumbing.  In this case, removal of sheetrock will likely be necessary to be able to fix the problem.  If it does not recreate the leak, you have eliminated the drainage and can proceed to the next step.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Next, turn on the water to your tub.  Since you have already eliminated the drains, if the leak shows op now, you know that the problem is either in the faucet itself or the pipe going from the faucet to the tub spout.  The easiest thing to do now, is to take off the shower handle(s) and trim and see if you can see anything happening in the wall.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Next, turn the shower on.  Be careful to make sure that the water is going directly to the tub and not splashing the walls.  If the leak shows up now, it is either the pipe between the faucet and the <a href="http://bathroombreeze.co.uk/shower-heads" target="_blank">shower head</a>, or the shower arm itself.  The latter is the most likely.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you still have no results, it is time to start splashing around some water.  Try running water over the overflow cover, the shower handles, different areas of your tile, etc.  Splash water on your shower doors too – anywhere where water might go when showering needs to be exposed to water.  The trick here is to do everything one at a time, so that when you get a positive result, you know what caused it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you have followed these procedures to the letter, your plumbing leak will be found by the time you get to the end.  Just be patient and keep your eyes and ears open.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now for the spoiler – Can you guess what the majority of upstairs plumbing leaks is caused by?  By far, the most common cause is a problem with the tile.  Usually something that can be fixed by simply applying tub and tile caulk to the defective area.  It’s kind of silly to remove sheetrock from your ceiling to diagnose that your tub needs to be re-caulked, don’t you think?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Stay tuned for more plumbing info and tips to come soon!  As always, I am available to answer any questions you may have via comment, the contact page or our plumbing forum.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>Plumbing 101a &#124; Flow vs Pressure</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">As a service plumber, one of the most common plumbing problems that I have been asked to diagnose is low “water pressure”.  The reason that I put “water pressure” in quotes is because what a customer thinks is low water pressure is quite often actually low flow.  There is a difference, and <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/plumbing-101a-flow-vs-pressure/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">As a service plumber, one of the most common plumbing problems that I have been asked to diagnose is low “water pressure”.  The reason that I put “water pressure” in quotes is because what a customer thinks is low water pressure is quite often actually low flow.  There is a difference, and that difference is very important when trying to figure out the best remedy for the problem.</p>
<div id="attachment_105" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 280px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/prv.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-105 " style="margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;" title="prv" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/prv-300x300.jpg" alt="prv" width="270" height="270" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Typical pressure regulator</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So what’s the difference?  Pressure is the amount of force behind the water, pushing it through your pipes.  It is measured in pounds per square inch (psi).  Flow is the amount of water that “flows” out of an open outlet, like an open hose bib or faucet.  Flow is usually</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">measured (in the US) in gallons per minute (gpm).  The symptoms for low pressure and low flow can sometimes look similar, but it is usually pretty easy to diagnose.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Pressure</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The hot and cold water in your plumbing system is under constant pressure.  The ideal pressure for an average home is between 55-75 psi.  If your water is supplied by a public utility company, the pressure to your home is determined by a number of factors – none of which you have control over.  If you have a private water source, you have a bit more control.  The first thing to do if you feel you may have pressure issues is to go to test it.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Most home improvement or plumbing supply stores have pressure gauges that you can buy for about $10 or so.  Get one that will screw onto a hose bib.  Screw it onto the hose bib that is closest to your water main, turn the bib on, and see what the pressure reads.  If it is between 55-75psi, you don’t have a pressure problem.  You should also check to see if you have a pressure regulator (PRV).  They look like the picture at the top of this article.</p>
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<p>If you do not have a PRV and the pressure is too high, call a plumber and have them install one.</li>
<li>If you have a PRV and the pressure is too high, the PRV is likely bad and needs replacement.</li>
<li>If you have a PRV and the pressure is too low, you can try to adjust the PRV.  If that doesn’t work, check your neighbor’s pressure.   If theirs is too low as well, it is likely not your PRV, but a problem with the municipal supply.  If theirs is fine, your PRV is bad.</li>
<li>If you don’t have a PRV and the pressure is too low, you can try checking your neighbor’s pressure, but it will likely be the same.  It’s a problem with the municipal supply, and there’s not much that can usually be done.</li>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Flow</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is the category under which 75% of the problems I have seen have been.  If you keep in mind the way in which plumbing is run, figuring out what the problem here is can be fairly simple.  If the pressure to your home is fine, but you are not happy with the water supply to one or more fixtures, it pretty much has to be a flow problem.  I drew a simple example of how the water supply plumbing is run on a typical house.  Hot water is red, cold water is blue.</p>
<div id="attachment_109" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 595px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/housewater1.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-109 " title="housewater1" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/housewater1.gif" alt="housewater1" width="585" height="405" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">simple plumbing layout</p></div>
<p style="text-align: center;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">By understanding the layout, it is much easier to figure out the cause of your flow problem.  Let’s look at some examples:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Let’s say, for instance that you have very little flow to the hot water side of you bathtub.  All other fixtures are fine.  That would mean that there is an obstruction of some kind either in the small section of line from the main hot water line to the fixture, or in the hot side of the faucet itself.  See below:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/housewater2.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-110" title="housewater2" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/housewater2.gif" alt="housewater2" width="437" height="333" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If, on the other hand, the hot water flow to the entire house is low, the obstruction would have to be either right at the water heater or in the short section of hot water piping between the water heater and the branch line for the washer.  There is a small possibility that the cold water plumbing feeding the water heater may be the culprit, but it is much more likely that the hot line is at fault.  See below:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/housewater3.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-111" title="housewater3" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/housewater3.gif" alt="housewater3" width="502" height="273" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">One very common scenario is a single fixture with low flow (both hot and cold side).  This is almost always due to a clogged aerator. Calcium from the water heater and/or rust from galvanized water lines or the water heater will build up in the faucet aerators and reduce the flow to that fixture.  In this case, the solution is as easy as removing the aerator, cleaning it, and reinstalling.  That will usually be enough to restore flow to that fixture.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">To remove the aerator, I recommend using small “channel lock” type pliers.  Wrap the jaws with electrical tape to keep the pliers from scratching the finish.  Remember “righty-tighty, lefty-loosy”.  Refer to the diagram below for further info.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/aeratordiagram.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-250" title="aeratordiagram" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/aeratordiagram-109x300.jpg" alt="aerator diagram" width="109" height="300" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">One final point to keep in mind: An obstruction in your water supply lines will not lower your pressure; it will lower your flow.  Understanding this can really help with diagnosing your plumbing issues.  Do your best to try to narrow the problem down, and take care of simple things yourself.  Call a plumber to fix those things that you cannot handle yourself.  Either way, getting a jump start on the diagnostics can save you tons of time and money on your plumbing repairs.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">&#160;</p> <p style="text-align: justify;">Quite often a home owner’s first experience with a plumbing problem is when a drain in their home backs up.  Knowing how your drainage system works and the most common causes of back-up problems with different drain lines can really help you when it comes time to get your <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/plumbing-101residentail-drain-plumbing/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Quite often a home owner’s first experience with a <strong>plumbing problem</strong> is when a drain in their home backs up.  Knowing how your drainage system works and the most common causes of back-up problems with different drain lines can really help you when it comes time to get your drains serviced.  This information will make it easier for you to get the right solution to your problem, and make life easier for the plumber who is trying to explain it all to you.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Let’s begin with a little plumbing theory.  Please keep in mind, that depending on your area, your lay-out may be different. I will give you a simple layout to give you an idea of how drains tie together.  Your plumbing may be a bit different, but the theory will be the same.</p>
<div id="attachment_92" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 280px"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/drainlines.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-92 " title="drainlines" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/drainlines-300x225.jpg" alt="Plumbing Drain-lines (Remodle)" width="270" height="203" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Plumbing Drain-lines (Remodle)</p></div>
<p style="text-align: justify;">We will start with a 1 bathroom home, for the sake of simplicity.  Let’s say that the toilet is at the back of the house.  That is the end of your house sewer line.  Your toilet will connect straight into that main line (3 or 4 inch), go towards the front of your house, and continue through your front yard and into the street where it ties into the public sewer.  Maybe you have a septic system, and the line runs straight to the back of your house where it ties into the septic tank.  Either way, the thing to remember here is that your main will usually run from the furthest toilet, as straight as possible, until it reaches whatever it ties into (public sewer, septic tank, etc.).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">All of your other plumbing fixtures will drain into smaller drainage lines (1 ½”- 2” lines called secondary lines) that tie into the main at different points.  Your bathroom sink may tie into your shower line before it goes to the main, or your laundry line tie into your kitchen line, but they all tie into the main.  The only plumbing fixture with direct access to the main is the toilet.  A 2 bath house is the same, but with more tie-ins.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sewer-layout.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-93" title="sewer layout" src="http://plumbinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/sewer-layout.gif" alt="sewer layout" width="532" height="303" /></a></p>
<h2 style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Common problems</strong></h2>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Kitchen/Laundry backups</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Symptoms</strong> – The kitchen sink won’t drain, the laundry stand pipe overflows, or both.  The toilet flushes fine without adding to these symptoms.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Causes</strong> &#8211; Laundry and kitchen lines are often tied together.  The cause of their backups is usually grease.  Grease from pots, pans, dishes, clothes, etc. build up in the line and cause debris to accumulate (food particles, lint, etc.).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>What you can do</strong> – Check to make sure your disposer is functioning.  Look outside your kitchen area to see if you have a small cleanout.  Look in your garage for a cleanout.  Try to determine if multiple fixtures are affected or just one.  Clean out the underside of your sink if the kitchen sink is affected.  Do NOT use drain cleaning chemicals.  They will not dissolve grease related back-ups, even if they can reach them (which is doubtful), and many plumbers will charge you more to clear drain lines with Drano in them.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Remedy </strong>– If the blockage is in the p-trap under the kitchen sink, the repair is simply a matter of removing the waste lines under the sink and cleaning them out.  If not, the plumber must access your drain lines and attempt to cable them clear.  I personally recommend that the plumber also treat the line with a degreasing agent and perhaps cable the line a second time, to help get the grease out.  This extra step will cost a little more, but will usually at least triple the amount of time it would have otherwise taken to back up again.  This should save you money in the long run.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Some lines may be so stubborn that they require high pressure jetting to get the grease out.  I also recommend visual inspection of the pipes under the home if the plumber feels anything out of the ordinary.  Grease is a corrosive and can eat away pipes.  You will want to know if that is happening before it creates a lake under your home.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Tubs, showers and lavatory sinks</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Symptom</strong>s – Back ups of one or more of these plumbing fixtures without toilet problems.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Causes</strong> – Usually soap scum, sludge and hair</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Remedy </strong>– You can try chemical drain cleaners here, if you feel bold.  They will usually do a decent job of dissolving the hair that is causing these problems.  Remember though that these chemicals are not good for your plumbing.  They can eat away at your drain lines like crazy.  Other than that, clearing these drains is usually pretty straight forward. A plumber may elect to use a degreasing agent if he feels the sludge is really bad to prolong the time between the next back up, but that’s a judgment call.  Tubs can be tricky because of the special drain piping they have (called a waste/overflow).  Older waste/overflows can be brittle and cabling through them can be all it takes to bust them free and have a leak under your house.  It never hurts to have your plumber peak under the house and check it out.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Sewer main back-ups</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Symptoms</strong> – Since water always finds the lowest point to escape, a sewer main backup will usually show itself by toilets backing up into the shower or tub.  If your tub or shower starts to back up, check your toilets.  If they are “burbling” or backing up into the tub or shower, it is the main.  We are assuming, of course that they are both on the bottom floor.  The rule of thumb here is that if a toilet affects another fixture – it is a main back-up.  If you have an outside 3” or 4” cleanout that is holding water or overflowing, that is another sign that it’s your main.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Causes</strong> – In my experience, the most common cause of sewer main back-ups are roots.  Roots need barely more than a microscopic hole to start growing into your main.  From there, they just grow and grow and grow.  Roots can be so strong that they can literally break your sewer line up into pieces!  Other common causes are “bellies” in the line (flat spots that cause debris to build up), offsets (sections of the line shift under ground and become misaligned), and breaks that actually allow the surrounding soil to enter your pipe.  There are other potential causes, but these are the most common.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>What you can do</strong> – The only really productive thing you can do in this situation is check for proper access points.  If you can find an outside clean-out that is 3” or 4” in diameter, it will save you and the plumber time.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Remedy</strong> – This depends upon whether or not you have a cleanout.  If you do not, I highly recommend that you install one.  There is no such thing as a one time sewer back-up.  If your sewer is backing up, it usually means there is a problem with it.  There are other ways to access the line, but you are very limited without having a cleanout.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Once a cleanout is found or installed, or another access is found (pulling a toilet, etc), the next step is to attempt to free the blockage with a sewer cable.  You want your plumber to use the biggest blade possible on his cable to do as thorough a job as possible.  If he cannot clear your line with the proper sized blade, the roots are either very strong or you have an offset.  If he needs to resort to a smaller blade, so be it, but you need to get the line clear for the next step.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>Survey the line</strong> – Have your plumber run a camera survey of the line to determine its condition.  Some plumbers will cable your line and tell you that you need to replace it.  That may be true, but you can never know for sure until the line in surveyed.  Once the camera survey is done, you will know what to do next.  Sometimes the roots are small and you have some time.  Sometimes a spot repair will do the trick.  Other times it is better to just replace the line.  The point is that once a camera survey is done, you will have a better grasp of your options, and it is always best to make informed decisions.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Well, I think I cover most of it here.  If you feel I missed something, please feel free to leave a comment or sign up to the plumbing forum and post your questions there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">See you next time!</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Steve</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hello again!  In my last plumbing info article, I talked about the two different types of plumbers and the pluses and minuses of using each.  I also revealed my opinion on the best kind to go for to deal with most plumbing issues.  In this article, I am going to tell you <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; <a href="http://plumbinginfo.org/know-your-plumber-part-2/">Read More:</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Hello again!  In my last plumbing info article, I talked about the two different types of plumbers and the pluses and minuses of using each.  I also revealed my opinion on the best kind to go for to deal with most plumbing issues.  In this article, I am going to tell you how to make sure you are getting the best value for your plumbing dollar.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This article is going to focus almost entirely on up-sellers.  These are complete plumbers, and the true plumbing professionals will be in this group.  There are a LOT of impostors though, so I want you to know how to tell the difference.  You want a professional working on your plumbing.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>How to tell a plumbing professional from an impostor.</strong></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">The first look when you open the door should tell a lot.  His pants may be a little dirty from working all day, but his uniform shirt should be clean.  His hands and face should be clean.  If you seen his truck, is it fairly clean and look well maintained?  A true plumbing professional will always do his best to show himself as a professional.  You cannot trust someone who cannot take care of himself to take care of your home.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Listen to him talk about how to solve your problems.  Give him a small problem to discuss, and you will know if he sounds knowledgeable and capable.  Give him a small plumbing problem to fix and observe how he approaches it, how he works, etc.  Does he keep his area clean? Is his work clean?  Does he respect your home?  Is he comfortable with you watching him work?  These areas are all very important.  If he cannot pass these tests, he is not the one that you want doing other work.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Believe it or not, there are a lot of plumbers out there that will pass all of these tests.  Unfortunately, the majority of plumbers will fail it.  The fact of the matter is that you want a true pro.  Regardless of what you may think, <strong>a true pro will not charge any more money than an impostor! </strong>An impostor actually thinks he is a pro, so he will charge accordingly.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>How to find a true professional plumber.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Finding a true pro is actually easier than you think.  Do some research online.  Look at company reviews.  Stay away from “he fixed my problem in 15 minutes for only $50”, unless you want an in and out tech (see previous article).  Look for: “he was able to find…”, “he found…”, “he thoroughly…” and so on.  These are the companies that teach their plumbers to be thorough and look for long term solutions.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When you find those companies, you call them to schedule a service call.  <strong>Do NOT ask them for their rates!!</strong> That is the worst thing you can do.  If they advertise free estimates, that is all you need to know until you talk to them in person.  Most companies that advertise free estimates will not quote you over the phone anyway.  You want to get the best plumbers from these companies to meet with you, so that you can match the dollars vs the value that they are offering.  Here is how you do it:</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When you call a plumbing company to schedule service, you want to let them know about your problem and whether or not it is urgent.  Give them your best understanding of it.  Let them know that you are looking for more than a quick fix (if you are).  If you have had problems with other plumbers in the past, it is okay to share that.  Don’t talk bad about the other plumber, but make sure you let them know that you want a good job done. These companies will see you as a great opportunity and they will likely send one of their best guys.  That is what you want.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>How do you deal with the plumber once he shows up?</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The first step is to follow the guidelines above to tell if he is a pro or an impostor.  You won’t always be able to get him started on something small, however.  What do you do then?  Simple – <strong>you collect estimates</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I always recommend that you start with small jobs and build a relationship with a plumber that you will use forever.  If you have not been able to do that yet, you do not let a plumber do any major work without collecting at least another estimate or two.  Not only do you want to make sure you are not being overcharged, but you want to pick a pro.  Trust me when I say that getting a job done cheaply when you know it can be done better will cost you a LOT more in the long run.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you do have a small job that you can let the plumber start right away, that’s fine.  Just be ready for him to come to you for the “bump”.  The bump is the bigger scope of work that will give you additional benefits.  There is nothing wrong with him doing this.  It is actually what you want, as long as he is being straight forward about it.  Here are some tips for you to use when dealing with the “bump”.</p>
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<li>If your gut tells you to think it over for a day or so, listen to your gut.  It is probably telling you the truth.</li>
<li>Ask if it NEEDS to be done today.  This will give you an idea of how honest he is (very few things NEED to be done today).</li>
<li>Make sure you understand EXACTLY what is being proposed and the benefits of it being done.</li>
<li>Weight the benefits vs. the expense.  Is this repair going to be worth the money it costs to get it done?</li>
<li>Make sure you are getting the right plumber for the job.  If you feel someone else can do a better job, hire them.</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When it comes right down to it, money always seems to be a major contributor to the process of making decisions about your plumbing.  There is nothing wrong with that as long as you factor in the long term costs as well.  Never ever choose a plumber because they are the cheapest.  You may get lucky once or twice, but it will cost you more in the long run.</p>
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